Why does Hamas need Israel’s agreement to release hostages? Can’t they release them to the Egyptian border guards at Rafah border crossing in the South?
Even if they can’t release them to Egypt, they could put them at the border, and tell the news agencies hey these are hostages being released, and put a live video feed on them standing at the border. I promise you Egypt would not leave them standing there indefinitely. The media coverage alone would get them to at least take the hostages over the border.
Hell, they could take them to a UN compound and release them into the custody of the UN.
Because that way they won’t be able to extort goods and services for the hostages … so sad seeing good hostage wasted…
In this press release Hamas said they tried to release more prisoners but Israeli wouldn’t accept them.
If Hamas is being genuine, there shouldn’t be any tit for tat on a humanitarian hostage release.
I’m just trying to demonstrate how The Hamas statement feels demonstrably disingenuous. Because they have other options.
Hamas is not a good actor, the plight of the people in the Gaza strip does not helped by Hamas being such a bad actor.
From what I understand they released two hostages via the Red Cross and things went fine. I think Hamas willing to return hostages is a good thing. Why won’t Israel take them up on it despite them already releasing two? Most likely imo because Israel’s long term goals include genocide and their handling of the hostage situation so far has been shit.
I think the balance of probability is demonstrates that’s Hamas is lying here. If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border. To claim that they need Israelis agreement, and support to release a hostage is extremely disingenuous.
Honestly, it sounds like they’re just trying to get a sound bite for propaganda purposes. It doesn’t matter that it’s obviously a lie, the people who can see it’s a lie aren’t the ones the propaganda’s for.
. If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border.
They did drop two hostages to the Red Cross just 2 days ago.
Great. Why can’t they do that again? Why press release that Israel is preventing them from releasing two more hostages with no strings attached?
No one said or suggested they can’t do thart again. It’s saying Israel doesn’t want to cooperate.
I don’t want to believe Hamas straight away but Israel is the one with the track record of lies.
you make everything look simple. I’m slightly fascinated. then I get back into reality and I remember there’s a cruel, blind war, and huge interests and plans going far over the borders of Isreal and Gaza.
the spiraling hate between parts? ah! silly them! “why they don’t just…”
It’s not simple. But it does demonstrate hamas is lying about their willingness to release two hostages no strings attached.
again you’re oversimplifying things, with these black and white statements. extremely dangerous, extremely…
How are they not lying? If they want to release two hostages they have a variety of options that don’t involve Israel. They could drop them off at the Egyptian border, they could drop them off at the Red Cross, they could drop them off at any of the UN compounds.
They’re unwillingness to release two hostages is completely on them. For them to try to blame Israel is disingenuous, and clearly a lie.
But I’m open to being wrong, how is Hamas prevented from releasing two hostages right now? What prevents them from dropping them off at the Red Cross or any of the UN compounds right now today?
they could drop them off at the Red Cross,
That site blocks my country. So I can’t read the article.
But yes everything in Gaza has danger. But they could publicize the fact that they’re dropping off at the Red Cross, post a video, live stream it, whatever. It would show the willing and it’s not dependent on Israel
That site blocks my country. So I can’t read the article.
Here’s the first 2 sentences.
The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) confirmed Wednesday that five staffers were killed in armed hostilities in Israel and the Gaza Strip.
“Today, in two different incidents, ambulances were hit killing four Palestine Red Crescent paramedics who were helping those in need,” IFRC said in a statement.
I understand it’s not the whole article but please try to extrapolate with the information given
Edit: Or like… you could def read enough from that URL that you could google it yourself if you actually cared…
I think that trying to rationalize the behavior of two xenophobic, nationalist, religious fundamentalist far right parties it’s just a sterile exercise, often practiced (can’t rightly say if that’s your will, too) to leave out of the discourse one of these two parties, to implicitly side with one of them. that’s all I have to say. have a good day
Have a good day.
I think we’ve demonstrated conclusively hamas’s lying at least about this.
Israel’s lying about many things as well, but that’s not what the articles about.
I welcome you to show me where my logic is incorrect any time in the future when you have the bandwidth.
Why does Hamas need Israel’s agreement to release hostages?
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Israel is bombing the Rafah border crossing.
Not constantly, not every minute. Get them close to the border and then tell Egypt they’re there. Tell the press they’re there
Or released to the Red Cross, or the UN inside of The Gaza strip.
I’m unemployed I’m going to respond to every single message you post replying to me.
I asked you this already, don’t be dishonest, with what internet? With what electricity?
Tell the press they’re there
What press my guy? They kicked aljazera out and bombed the AP building a few years ago with no evidence given. They’ve killed 23 journalists since the beginning of the month
There are reporters for Al Jazeera and other organizations in the Gaza strip. Charging a cell phone, using satellite internet, all things available to a government.
And if not the government, the UN in Red Cross have communication capabilities.
Israel kicked Al Jazeera out of there Israeli offices, Al Jazeera still has reporters in the Gaza strip, you just have to go to their web page and see their daily reports
Israel’s killing a lot of journalists it’s true, and there are journalists there because it’s important, there are journalists there because their Palestinian they can’t leave. Media is still getting out
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/israel-palestine-conflict/
But let’s take your point to its logical conclusion, how could Hamas tell us that they’re unable to release hostages if they don’t have access to the internet?
There are reporters for Al Jazeera and other organizations in the Gaza strip.
Yes, I didn’t say they revoked the journalists citizenship. Israel bombed the AP building 2 years ago. Israel has bombed a bunch of hospitals and ambulances. Israel is killing humanitarian aid.
And if not the government, the UN in Red Cross have communication capabilities.
The UN wasn’t able to get in for like 3 days after a ceasefire on the border was negotiated. These are not realistic suggestions.
But let’s take your point to its logical conclusion, how could Hamas tell us that they’re unable to release hostages if they don’t have access to the internet?
You only need wired electricity to (record a video and) tell us they’re unable to release hostages. Showing a livestream of them releasing hostages requires mobile internet+electricity and requires at least one additional point of internet+(wired) electricity (the tower to broadcast the phone signal).
I’ll grant you the logistics behind a live stream would be interesting in a war zone.
But they do have the capability to communicate their activities, to get hostages to be picked up quickly by either Egypt, the Red Cross, or the UN.
If you can admit that then I can admit that dropping them off with the Red Cross and taking photos of the release and airdropping them to like 20 homies (or like 2 journalists) should provide enough evidence to be recovered in case of disaster.
But with how quickly disinformation is spread, with the asymmetric technical capabilities, with the fact that 2 hostages were just released safely with no issue, I don’t blame Hamas for trying to do this as safely as possible.
I promise you Egypt would not leave them standing there indefinitely.
Source on Egypt bombing the border crossings cuz I’m pretty sure that’s Israel?
Yeah Egypt’s not bombing the border. I don’t know where you got that impression, but that’s definitely not something I said
I don’t know where you got that impression
Well because if you’ve been paying attention at all it’s very clear that it isn’t safe to cross the border because someone is not allowing it
Yeah it’s dangerous. But I didn’t say Egypt was bombing the border.
You’re not disagreeing that someone is though
Israel is bombing the Rafah border crossing. They’ve even published reports saying they’ve done it.
I never said Egypt was. This whole discussion started when you said I said that Egypt was bombing the border crossing. Something I’ve never said.
Remember, the first casualty of war is the truth.
Yeah - I find this especially fucked up, when I watched that Interview with that Hamas Leader that straight out denied that any Israelian civilians were attacked, he said that the attackers were instructed not to attack civilians - while on the other Hand there were First Person Videos that live-streamed the massacre into the world.
I guess Hamas got a lot of bad PR from killing those civilians, in their own „peer groups“.
while on the other Hand there were First Person Videos that live-streamed the massacre into the world.
I believe there were videos but have you seen any? Have they been verified by 3rd parties? if so can you link them?
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Here’s the Al Jazeera article covering basically the same thing, they even quote a politician saying Hamas could just release the prisoners to the Red Cross or the UN, if they didn’t want anything in return.
And they released the first two to them
Edit: lol thanks for downvoting a fact.
They released two US citizens (they might actually live in the US, not just hold a passport). They treat the hostages with US citizenship differently. It has nothing to do with Israel and probably everything to do with not wanting the US to get involved
We down vote not the Fact, we downvote your BS. If you want to blame Isreal then atleast get yourself together and take one of the many real resons to blame them. There are so many and you just sucked up one which might actually be a lie. Pathetic.
I think that’s BS. All I said was repeat something that’s already on the fucking news. How am I blaming Israel “for a non-real reason”? I think you and others read waaaaay too much into a comment that isn’t even 8 words long.
All I meant with that goddamn comment is to say “Yes, but there is news that they released two already”. I think what’s pathetic is reading too much into a person’s comment without need.
Emotions are flying high with this, civilians are dying as we argue over fucking BS.
I’ve read lots of your other comments here and they were filled to the brim with world-class-high-density-double-distilled-propaganda-flavoured BS. So thats what I’m talking about.
I think you don’t have anything good or convincing to say so you just generally describe my words in a dumb way. Have a wonderful day/evening, I don’t give two fucks. Hamas released two hostages, this isn’t a “lie”.
I was responding to the person who asked “why don’t they release them to the red cross”, and all I answered with was news.
Says the one getting ratioed.
Doesn’t matter.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
JERUSALEM, Oct 21 (Reuters) - Israel on Saturday described as “propaganda” a claim by Hamas that the militant group had wanted to release two more hostages on humanitarian grounds but that Israel declined to receive them.
Abu Ubaida, spokesman for Hamas’ armed wing, said it informed Qatar of the group’s intention to release the two additional people on Friday, the same day it freed Americans Judith Tai Ranaan and her daughter Natalie.
In a later statement, Abu Ubaida said Hamas was ready to free the two people on Sunday “using the same procedures” involved in the release of Judith and Natalie.
The Palestinian group captured around 210 people during its deadly assault in southern Israel on Oct. 7.
In a brief statement, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said: “We will not refer to false propaganda by Hamas.”
The statement added: “We will continue to act in every way to return all the kidnapped and missing people home.”
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Both sides are wankers. Can’t trust any of them.
